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** Democratic Faiths

July 5, 2009 · Leave a Comment

DEMOCRATIC  FAITHS
J. Ajithkumar
Boloji.com
 
General elections, whether rigged, manipulated or impartial, are the most vital and visible signs of life in any functioning democracy. Be it presidential or parliamentary, democracy has been widely accepted as the nearest form to minimum acceptable governance embodying the vital elements of liberty, human rights and equality that are ‘beyond-bargain’ parameters for dignified human existence. The harsh reality that many world nations are still suffering from greedy monarchies, military dictatorships and religious theocracies makes a mockery of all our claims of progress in this 21st century. There are several reasons for the flourishing or floundering of democratic institutions in different parts of the world. The latest elections in India and Iran provide a very good opportunity to look at some of the reasons for the sustainability of democracy in the current world.

Though various forms of democracy are under trial in different nations, we can easily notice that it is showing signs of survival only in certain environments. The very spirit of democracy, especially in countries offering universal adult franchise, seems to be compatible only with certain types of people and faiths. The strengthening or weakening of democracy as a form of government among 200 odd nations with 6 billion people gives some clear indications about the real faith of democracy. One can also draw very good conclusions about the thought process, mentality and behavior of the people, nation and faith of those who prefer essentially democratic arrangements for governance. In contrast we can also get glimpses about why certain faiths are incompatible with democracy. There must be underlying reasons for both.

Conceding Spirit

Enough and more clues about the reasons for success or failure of democracy in different nations can be obtained by analyzing the happenings in their recent elections. In the last one decade we have seen presidential elections in USA (2000, 2004, 2008), general elections in India (2004, 2009) and different types of elections in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Nepal. It will not take much effort to prove that the 2000 election in USA, 2009 elections in India and Iran were neither impartial nor fair. All these elections have been rigged in one form or another. Rigging of elections need not always be in the form of duplicate voting or over printing of ballots or even false counting of votes. It can be in the form of manipulating the tools for elections, including the election commissions that conduct the elections, or even by hijacking of mandate obtained in any election. In India the popular mandate in 2009 elections in favor of a particular political formation has been hijacked by installing an ‘unelected’ leader.

No election is perfect and the success of any democratic arrangement emanates from the spirit and willingness of contesting parties to accept defeat. Only if equanimity exists to accept defeat or victory on the part of each and every contesting party, prior to any election, can the democratic process end conclusively. Extreme contrasts in this regard are provided by the reactions of an erstwhile Indian Prime Minister as against the current stance of the ‘defeated’ Iranian leaders in the recent elections. “Our party may have been defeated but India has won” were the famous words of a statesman like Vajpayee when he got defeated in 2004. And Al-Gore and Advani went many steps further when they conceded defeat in elections which they have morally won for furthering democracy in their own nations. The fact that these leaders had the support of their followers (in India it is in hundreds of millions) shows the general characteristics of their faith. However, the unhealthy trend of certain families hijacking the rule under the guise of electoral victory in successful democracies is another factor that merits the attention of all those who value genuine democracy.

Basic Incompatibilities

There are certain basic incompatibilities between some dominant faiths and the essential spirit of democracy. The bare minimum belief that is needed for any favorable thought on democracy is the concept of equality of human beings. To accept anyone becoming the nation’s ruler, its majority must strongly believe that all of them have equal rights (even if they are not equals in every sense) and hence eligible to rule. In the case of genuine communism and theocracy, this concept of equality is non-existent. If workers are more equal than others in a communist setup, it is the rights of clergy to be more than others in a theocratic arrangement. No wonder that democracy does not find any foothold in nations that discriminates between believers and non-believers, men and women, masters and slaves and even slaves white, brown and black. The exhibition of universal brotherhood by hugging, singing, praying and preying together are only skin deep rituals in such societies.

Conceding equality to others is easy to preach but difficult to practice. It needs a strong underlying principle to accept equality as a natural concept. In Hinduism it is easily available in their belief of having the very same God present in everything animate and inanimate. And in Christianity it is provided by the belief that all are born as sinners. But having the very same starting point does not provide a good reason for considering other competitors as equal in the subsequent race for living. The belief that all are made by the same God does not automatically confer equality on everyone. Products can be of different value even if they are manufactured in the one and only producing company. It is difficult to consider them equal but there is no harm in having brotherly feelings that can subsidize, promote or confront the enemies together.

In very general terms it is easy to conclude that democratic process succeeds only amidst some of the world’s dominant faiths, and fails miserably in the case of others. The current turbulence in Iran and successful transformation from monarchy to a democratic republic in Nepal provide living examples for this argument. And in Pakistan, democracy has failed to make any foothold even after 60 odd years of free rule. In Iraq and Afghanistan it has miles to go before we can conclude that it is acceptable.

 
There is a great message to humanity coming out of all these. It is about the misery and turbulence that awaits us if one of those undemocratic faiths comes to dominate the world. Silence of graveyards will be the only sign of equality that will be present among all nations then. Only by considering and respecting all others as our equals can we nurture democratic principles and that requires nothing less than the acceptance of same God’s presence in everything.     

June 28, 2009  

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** On Congress Win

June 2, 2009 · Leave a Comment

Congress win a fluke or real?
By MV Kamath – Organiser 

What is ironic is that a party which was responsible for getting rid of princely dynasticism and the marginalisation of Maharajas and Nawabs is now striving to establish a Gandh-Nehru dynastic rule without the slightest feeling for guilt and shame. It indicates the essential weakness of the Congress as a national party.

 Till a few days prior to the elections, the Congress Party was lying low; as late as May 16, even The Hindu, not given to over-statement, was saying that “there is near certainty that the 15th General Elections will produce a hung Parliament”. The election results came as a shock not just to the exit pollsters, but to the Congress as well. What it has now done is to set a wave of sycophancy that is as sickening as it is revelatory of Indian character.

 Even the Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh has gone on record as saying that Rahul Gandhi should be offered a Ministry. Others followed. All credit was given to Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and, of course, the Prime Minister, for the party’s success, never mind if the UPA government’s record had been dismal.

What is ironic is that a party which was responsible for getting rid of princely dynasticism and the marginalisation of Maharajas and Nawabs is now striving to establish a Gandh-Nehru dynastic rule without the slightest feeling for guilt and shame. It indicates the essential weakness of the Congress as a national party. It is to the credit of young Rahul that he has declined to be taken into the cabinet fold.

Let it be said clearly: There is not a thing that the UPA government can really be proud of. Forget the Quattrocchi scandal which has now been swept under the carpet. Twenty five years after the massacre of nearly 3,000 Sikhs in Delhi, Congressmen involved in the genocide have gone unpunished. When Manmohan Singh was reminded of it, his reply was that the anti-Sikh riot cannot be kept alive forever as it was “most painful”.

One might as well ask Dr Singh why he is harassing Narendra Modi on the Godhra issue. 

 When does an issue become ‘most painful’? When the party charged with genocide happens to be the Congress? Has Manmohan Singh any concept of rectitude? Is it revenge, revenge all the time? Incidentally, the only thing he can claim as ‘success’ in his earlier 5-year term, is the nuclear deal that all right-minded nuclear scientists have condemned in no uncertain measure. 

Dr Singh has been “painfully” unaware about the corrupt practices indulged in in some of his ministries. By any reckoning he has been noticeably a weak Prime Minister at the beck and call of 10 Janpath. It is claimed that L K Advani should not have made any reference to this aspect of Prime Ministerial leadership as it was in bad taste and offended many citizens, not necessarily all Congress followers.

The late former Prime Minister Morarji Desai had a favorite quote from Sanskrit which said: satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat, na bruyat satyamapriyam, meaning: speak the truth, speak what is pleasant, but never utter the unpleasant truth. Many believe that BJP lost a large number of votes on just that ground. If that is true it speaks highly of Indian culture. 

What is even worse however is the manner in which third rate politicians are now groveling at the feet of Sonia Gandhi, offering their “unconditional support” to the UPA to have a crumb from the Italian dining table. 

What is just as disgusting is to hear Dr Manmohan Singh tell Mayavati that she is like a “younger sister” to him. Some sister, that. Described as one of the most corrupt Chief Ministers India ever had—one would strongly recommend Dr Singh to read Ajoy Bose’s biography of his “younger sister”, in which details are available of Mayavati’s personal assets that go into crores of rupees.

Dr Singh is free to adopt any number of sisters, but the least he can do is to be careful before giving a certificate of good conduct to his adopted ones. 

Dr Singh would be interested to read in the book that “fuming at what she saw as meddling by the Gandhis with her caste and in her state, Mayavati publicly denounced Sonia for creating ‘caste tension in the region’. Wrote Bose: “She even vowed to get the Congress leader defeated from Amethi in the next Lok Sabha elections”. If she had tried this time, she surely failed. 

This “sister” has wasted crores of rupees of public money to iconise her guru Kanshi Ram, not to speak of Dr B R Ambedkar, which may be the reason why brahmins and upper caste people deserted the Bahujan Samaj Party at the latest polls to give Congress a fresh foothold in Uttar Pradesh, and an excuse to Congress leadership to claim leadership qualities to Rahul Gandhi and his mother. No doubt they are endowed with superb qualities but what the Congress received at the polls was a bare 27 per cent of the total votes, three per cent more than what it received in 2004. In the circumstances Congress can hardly claim national empowerment to govern.

The greatest thing that can be said of the election is the manner in which the demonstrably wise Indian public showed the door to the Third Front political imbeciles. It saved India’s honour. The truth of the matter is that a tectonic change has come over India which has still be objectively and dispassionately analysed. Dr Manmohan Singh is supposed to represent Assam. And how did the Congress fare in one of the most neglected states in India? The ruling Congress and the major Opposition party, the Asom Gana Parishad suffered setbacks, while the BJP and the debutante Assam United Democratic Front (AUDF) emerged stronger in the state in which the poll outcome dashed the Congress hope to repeat or improve its performance from that in 2004.

In West Bengal, again, it was not the Congress which won but the CPM which lost, thanks to Mamata Banerjee and Nandigram. In Maharashtra had not Raj Thackerya’s Maharashtra Navnirman Sena acted as a spoilsport, the BJP ally, Shiv Sena would have easily won three more seats. And where were Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and Manmohan Singh when Karnataka voted in 19 BJP candidates out of 26?

Congress should consider itself just lucky to have come to power for no sound discernible reason. A little humility would be in order.

This is a wise nation and deserves good government. We need a Prime Minister who is more than a Chief Executive Officer and can enthuse the people to do great deeds. The Prime Minister must be a source of inspiration who can address audience and connect with people. Neither the Prime Minister nor Sonia Gandhi has that capacity. One wishes good luck to the new government now ruling from Delhi, knowing full well its incapacities. But then the people have no other option. At least the people in their wisdom have spared the country a hung Parliament. They deserve better than a bunch of sycophants.

 EVMs can be tampered @ http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=294&page=2

Verdict 2009:Happy/Unhappy @ http://ultracurrents.blogspot.com/2009/05/verdict-2009.html

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** Against Conversions

April 20, 2009 · Leave a Comment

Judev: A crusader against conversions

Interview of the week, Organiser

Week of  April 26, 2009

Varun is being condemned before his so-called crime was investigated and tried in a court of law. The Election Commission in his case acted in post-haste and functioned as a complainant, investigator, forensic expert, prosecutor, and the court— all by itself. He was not accorded the opportunity to defend himself which is his right.

We in BJP have always respected the freedom of every individual to have faith in any religion and adopt any mode of worship. My stand against conversion is too obvious and well known. I will not allow a single dalit to be converted through coercion and allurements.

Shri Dalip Singh Judev is much more than just a BJP candidate for Bilaspur parliamentary constituency in Chhattisgarh. Although an erstwhile Jashpur ruler, in reality he is a faqir owing less property (worth Rs 1.70 crore) than does his opponent (worth Rs. 2.47 crore), Dr. Renu Jogi, wife of former CM Shri Ajit Jogi. He is an untiring crusader against conversions on false promises, through coercion and allurements. He is a person who himself washes the feet of the tribals who return to their religion on realising that they had been misled into it. He is perhaps the only person in the world on whom more than a lakh youth have reportedly applied tilak with their own blood offering their support to his crusade. Amba Charan Vashishth spoke to Shri Judev during his hectic campaign in Bilaspur a few days back.

Excerpts:

What does it mean to you, fighting as the BJP candidate for the Bilaspur Lok Sabha seat?
It means a lot to me. I am a disciplined soldier of BJP. I have always taken-up my position at whatever post of duty I was assigned by the Party to fight.

I feel overwhelmed by the love, affection and trust with which the party has nominated me to contest. I am equally overwhelmed by the faith of the people with which they are supporting me in every way. Equally beholden I am to the rank and file of the party sweating it out for me at this hour.

Now that Congress has ‘substituted’ its candidate with Smt. Renu Jogi as its candidate, the contest has become interesting. How do you see this challenge?
It is no challenge at all. With the support of the people I shall defeat the Congress. That is sure.

Now that a woman is your main opponent in the election, do you see it as an advantage or disadvantage?
I am looking at it as an electoral fight to win. I am not concerned who is my rival – a man or a woman. For me my opponent is not Smt. Renu Jogi, it is only the Congress. This feeling is also shared by the electorates in the constituency. Actually Shri Jogi is waging a proxy electoral fight against me.

But why did the Congress not nominated Shri Jogi and instead fielded his wife?
It is for the Congress to explain. But to me, it looks, the Congress thought he was a losing candidate and had many minus points. So they did not bet for him and preferred his wife.

How does it make an effect in the elections?
Nothing at all. For all intents and purposes, for me and for the people Shri Ajit Jogi is the candidate. People will make Smt Jogi to pay for the sins of her husband.

Then why was she nominated?
It appears to be their strategy. They know we Indians respect women the most. Because of this our opponents are repeating the old trick which our foreign invaders used in similar circumstances when faced with imminent defeat. They would put a row of women or cows to stand in the front row of their troops. They knew Indian forces will never use their weapons against women and cows. Our opponents have adopted that very strategy. But the Congress leaders should also not forget that our forces adopted some other techniques to defeat their enemies. BJP will defeat Shri Ajit Jogi and the Congress decisively frustrating all their ill designs.

Congress is alleging that you are an ‘outsider’ for this seat. What would you say?
It is again a ploy by Shri Ajit Jogi and the Congress who are trying to befool the people. They have nothing to say against me and the BJP. Congress has always adopted the “divide and rule” policy of the British. It was because of this that the Congress was able to rule the country for so long. But now the people have seen through their game. By raising this bogey they have indirectly admitted their defeat beforehand. In desperation they are now trying to divide Chhattisgarh into regions, castes, creeds and dialects. But their game will not succeed. People know Judev and know that for me the whole of Chhattisgarh is one for all intents and purposes socially, culturally and historically.

In these circumstances, what is your main strategy?
My strategy is simple. To defeat Shri Ajit Jogi for whatever he stands for. I will be exposing all his lies and wrongs he has done to the State and its people.

We in BJP have always respected the freedom of every individual to have faith in any religion and adopt any mode of worship. My stand against conversion is too obvious and well known. I will not allow a single dalit to be converted through coercion and allurements. I have always welcomed with open arms by cleansing the feet, with my own hands, of all those who had been made to go astray on false promises.

By ‘substituting’ its earlier candidate with Smt. Renu Jogi, the Congress has tried to polarise the elections between those who support and those who oppose conversions. Of all the 11 parliamentary constituencies in Chhattisgarh, Congress President Smt. Sonia Gandhi has singled out Bilaspur only for her election campaign. This message is clear and loud to the people and they have seen through the Congress intentions. BJP is fully geared up to defeat their design.

What is your strength?
My strength is my people, my party, my own conviction, my determination to serve the people at all costs and the righteousness of my stand. Truth will prevail, I am sure.

Would you like to say something on Varun episode?
Invoking of NSA against Varun is palpably wrong. This has obviously been done only to prevent Varun from fighting the election himself and campaigning for BJP. My only regret is that he is being condemned before his so-called crime was investigated and tried in a court of law. The Election Commission in his case acted in post haste and functioned as a complainant, investigator, forensic expert, prosecutor, and the court – all by itself. He was not accorded the opportunity to defend himself which is his right. The Union Government is providing every help, assistance and opportunity to Kasab involved in 26/11 terrorist attack on Mumbai to defend himself and prove himself innocent, but denying it to Varun.

Railway Minister Lalu Prasad Yadav had said that had he been Home Minister, he would have crushed Varun under a roadroller come what may. Would you like to comment?
What Shri Lalu Prasad has said is no less a crime than that alleged against Varun. Lalu cannot be treated differently and the least that should be done is to give the same treatment as given to Varun. EC too is now in the dock.

What will your victory mean?
It will be a defeat of the forces which were playing a divisive vote bank politics and of those who had failed to curb prices, to curb terrorism, and of those who are responsible for making thousands of farmers to commit suicides.

Related stories:

1) Don’t Convert 

2) Politics of Conversion  

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** Communal vs. Secular

April 11, 2009 · Leave a Comment

‘Secular Congress’ or Communal anti-National’ Congress?
Ravi Lochanan Iyengar
Indian Perspective
The Congress Party claims to be a ‘secular’ party. The party president Ms. Sonia Gandhi and PM Dr. Manmohan Singh have repeatedly stated that Congress is a ‘secular’ party to the core.
The dictionary meaning of ‘secular’ is: ‘not pertaining to or connected with religion’. 

Let us look at some of the allies of the ‘secular’ Congress:

1. Indian Union Muslim League (IUML) in Kerala – a Muslim party

2. Kerala Congress (Mani) [KC(M)] in Kerala – a Christian party

3. All India Majlis e-Itaahid al-Muslimin (MIM) in Andhra Pradesh – a Muslim party.

Among these 3 parties, the two Muslim parties are exclusively Islamic in their outlook and membership. How could these parties be called ‘secular’? Can the Congress justify its alliance with these parties?

IUML is the new arm of erstwhile Muslim League which partitioned the nation on the basis of religion. The Muslims of North Kerala were staunch supporters of Muslim League in the pre-independence era and had also showed their beastly nature by killing thousands of Hindus during the Moplah rebellion. Post-independence, the community has been supporting IUML. This shows that the situation has not changed a single bit. These Muslims do not consider themselves a part of the national mainstream and IUML is a party which is representing such internal ‘anti-nationals’.

Still, the Congress party is in alliance with IUML for decades. Can it explain the reason for this? If the Muslims of the region had changed their opinion, why does the Congress still need the IUML which is basically the same party which advocated Islamic extremism and partitioned the nation?

MIM is even more radical. It was a party which opposed the integration of Hyderabad with India. It was the party which organised Razakars who went about killing thousands of Hindus to maintain the ‘Islamic’ State of Hyderabad. The party was initially banned in 1948 and the Razakars’ leader was deported to Pakistan in the late 1950s.

The current party organisation tries to separate itself from the activities during the period of Indian independence. But the party has always maintained its ‘Islamic’ nature and character. Anyone who believes that the party members suddenly became pro-India after Indian independence must be living in a ‘fools’ paradise’.

Thus, we see that Congress is allied not only with three ‘communal’ parties but also, two ‘anti-national’ parties. Still, it dares to call itself has ‘secular’ (or perhaps they mean ‘sickular’). 

Next, look at the policies of the Congress party.

The Constitution of India (Article 44) clearly states that the State shall ‘endeavour to secure for the citizens a Uniform Civil Code throughout the territory of India’.

Does the party believe that the framers of the Indian Constitution were ‘communal’ for having stated such in the Constitution? If not, why is it that the Congress does not support the forming of a ‘Common Civil Code’?

The party claims that the endeavour for adoption of a Common Civil Code must come from within the Muslim community. This is utter nonsense. The Common Civil Code will go a long way in bringing the Muslim community into the national mainstream.

The Indian nation is secular. Being so, why should the government create a separate civil code for each community?

Secular government should be ‘equally sceptical’ to all religious practices. It does not mean ‘enclosing all religious practices’. Will the Congress party accept to any demand for implementation of Shariat for cases of rape, murder etc in which the accused or the victim is a Muslim? If not, why is Shariat followed in the case of civil code?

This practice is an utter nonsense which divides the society on communal lines. Congress wants to maintain this situation in perpetuity. Still, the party calls itself ‘secular’.

PM Manmohan Singh had stated that Muslims shall have the first right on the nations’ resources. May I know what is the difference between our PM and Bengal’s Muslim League government of Mr. Suhrawardy who advocated that preference shall be given to a Muslim candidate with a third-class degree over a Hindu candidate with a first-class degree (as happened in the case of filling a vacancy for lecturer in the Government College near Calcutta)?

What is the difference between Manmohan Singh and Sir Bamfylde Fuller who had stated that in the Eastern Bengal, Muslims would be nurtured and Hindus will be neglected (an advocate of the partition of Bengal which occurred during 1905).

Sir Fuller did that to garner the support of Muslims. Isn’t Manmohan doing the same thing by stating that Muslims will be preferred over others? He appears to be an ‘anti-national’ who wants to implement the policies of the traitorous Muslim League and the colonist British Empire. He does so to get the votes of the Muslim community. On the whole, the party is certainly not secular.

The current Congress leadership does not appear to care about the integrity of the country. This party’s leadership accepted to a partition of India. How can we be sure that they will not do so once again just to remain in power?

After all, the support given by this treacherous party to the various successor parties of the anti-national Islamic parties and the way they encourage illegal infiltration of Bangladeshi Muslims into Assam and West Bengal does show the true philosophy of the party leadership which is ‘anything shall be done to remain in power’. It is lead by power-mongers who do not care about the nation a single bit.

May Goddess Bharati save this nation from these modern-day demons who do not worry about destroying the nation for their own selfishness.   

 1) Mr.PM, Who should be Ashamed of Whom? @ http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/Who-should-be-Ashamed-Whom-MrPM/blog-267.htm 

2) Congress trying Caste Formula @ http://specials.rediff.com/election/2009/apr/09slide1-elections-hot-up-in-eastern-uttar-pradesh.htm

Congress Terminology: Communal vs. Secular

1.. Sikhs getting slaughtered in thousands = A MISTAKE.

2. Hindus getting killed in thousands in Kashmir = Political problem.

3. Muslims getting killed by a few hundred = Holocaust.

4. Protestors getting shot in WB under Left Govt = Misunderstanding.

5. Talking about Hindus and Hinduism = Communal.

6. Talking about Muslims and Islam = Secular.

7. Kargil Attack = Government failure.

8. Chinese invasion in 1962 = Unfortunate betrayal.

9. Reservations in every school and college on caste lines = Secular.

10. Reservations in Minority institutions =Communal.

11. Fake encounters in Gujarat [Sohrabuddin] = BJP Communalism.

12. Fake encounters under Cong-NCP in Maharashtra [Khwaja Younus] = Police atrocity.

13. Banning Parzania in Gujarat = Communal.

14. Banning Da Vinci Code and Jo Bole So Nihaal = Secular.

15. BJP freeing 3 terrorists to save 100 Indian hostages = Shameful

16.Congress freeing 4 militants to save just a life of one Daughter of its minister
in Kashmir [Rubina Sayed] Political dilemma = Natural Dilemma

17.Attack on Parliament = BJP ineptitude.

18. Not hanging Afzal Guru the mastermind despite Supreme Court orders = Humanity and Political dilemma.

19. BJP questioning Islamic Terrorist Forces = Communal.

20. Congress questioning Lord Ram existence = Clerical Error. 

http://ravilochanan.blogspot.com/2009/04/secular-congress-or-communal-anti.html

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** Idol worship in churches…

March 15, 2009 · Leave a Comment

Priest admits to idol worship in churches

Express News Service

March 12, 2009

BANGALORE: In a revelation that could have widespread ramifications, Father  Joseph Menengis, priest of St James Church in Mariyannapalya, Bangalore, confessed before the Justice B K Somashekara Commission of Inquiry on Wednesday that idol worship was being performed in churches to attract Hindus and convert them to Christianity.  

The Commission is inquiring into the recent attacks on churches in Karnataka. 

Hindus believe in idol worship. So to attract them to Christianity, idol worship is performed in churches,” Menengis said. 

During cross-examination, the priest said that “despite idol worship being prohibited in Bible, we have idol worship in churches.” “The duty of every Christian is to convert non-Christians to Christianity by any means,” the priest told the commission. 

St James Church was attacked by miscreants on September 21, 2008. 

The church is running co-education institutions, with classes from first to eight standard. 

During cross-examination the priest confessed that “no girl students are permitted to use kumkum, bangles and wear flowers. In our institution, we have moral science textbook. 

But it does not contain texts regarding Holy Bible and Jesus,” the priest added. 

The commission has requested the priest to submit the textbook to it.

Also Read:

1) Fooling Hindus http://indiaview.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/inculturation-fooling-hindus/

2) What’s in Name @ http://members.tripod.com/indowave/NAMES.html

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** Right Ideology, Wrong Place

January 29, 2009 · Leave a Comment

Right Ideology, Wrong Place

U. Mahesh Prabhu

Jan.3, 2009

‘It’s neither the horse nor the elephant and never – ever – the tiger. It’s the goat that is offered in sacrifice, even the gods slain the weak.’ said the legendary Indian diplomat and author of Arthashastra – Kautilya.

We often call ours as the ‘land of Mahatma’. ‘We are a peace loving nation’ we proudly declare, furthering ‘and we are proud of it!’ True, absolutely, we love peace.But more than often we forget that there is a price to be paid for peace. Peace is not free.

A weak person, no matter in which part of the world, is bound to be subdued by the strong men. He gets no respect from men with brawns. ‘Strength respects strength’, as said by India’s former President Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, holds well, always – beyond all incertitude.

Weak has neither the present nor future. Even if he says that ‘I fight none’ and that ‘I am all for peace.’ people are certain to mock at him. Why? Because they know that he can seldom offer a resistance when assailed by a mighty adversary. Nowhere in the world has a weak been able to live with respect. Very similar is the case with a weak nation.

But what makes a human or a nation weak? It’s all about courage. If men lack courage they are sure to be weak and the country is weak when its establishment is spineless. Yes, people too have their share of responsibility, for it is they who vote a government to power.

In India, since the time of independence we have took a great pride in our Gandhian Heritage. Our first prime minister though absolutely failed in carrying forward the ideas of Mahatma in terms of national development; in his diplomatic speeches across the world he seldom pretermitted to cite a line, or two, of Mahatma. His was the concept of economy which was in sharp with Gandhian one. But when it came to diplomacy and international affairs Nehru was a true Gandhian – as honest as a monk!

Gandhi may well have been a great man, but he was seldom a sound politician. His legacy is replete with blunders in politics. His handling of Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Muslim league is a testimony in this regard.

He was impudent. That he showed favouritism to Nehru over Sardar Vallabhai Patel over the President-ship of Indian National Congress (INC) is a verity and that it cost the nation dearly, too, is a reality.

We have an undisclosed belief in India; we all believe that when a man is declared ‘Great’ he can do no wrong! We personate such men with perfection. This is certainly a matter of lugubriousness as it stands against the fundamentals of sapience.

It should certainly baffle anyone as to why it be that these very Indian politicians, who retort to so many brutal modes to triumph in elections, to traduce their antagonists and suppress their critics go ‘Gandhian’ versus a grievous neighbouring country. Why this ‘non-violence’ attitude?

Why don’t they inverse their approach and show their ‘Gandhigiri’ to their political opponents and depict their vandalism with their nation’s adversary?

At least, can’t they do anything more than offering lip service of ‘criticism’, ‘condemnation’ and ‘warnings’ against an ever shrewd neighbour?

Recently, after the Mumbai blasts when Mumbaikars took to the streets in protest against the blasts, I was feeling a strange emotion. I was unsure as to whether should I cry or laugh.

After all what did they achieve by lighting those candles? Yes, we do need to pray for the departed souls but what about the security of the living souls? No one pays any heed.

After the blasts a great number of people took to abusing the politicos. The blame was according to me utterly unjust. Strange, but true, not a word was spoken against those terrorists. It was trying to appear as if it were politicians who had planted those bombs! This was all to get publicity.

Does anyone in India understand the seriousness of Islamic terrorism? Does anyone knows that those Arabs flush with petro-dollars are investing profusely into those thousands of Madrassas bustling amidst our cities and towns in every major city polluting young minds with ideas of insanity?

Do they understand how important it is take a strong action against them?

And even if they come to know, I am convinced, they would prefer to keep mum, sit in the comforts of their home and if another blasts happen they come in open in ‘strong criticism’ against the government (not terrorists, or Pakistan – mind you) and go back until the next blasts take place.

The legacy of Mahatma Gandhi is for us not a source of inspiration. From it we find rationales to support our awry ideology.

If we are weak we are sure to be invaded, assaulted and persecuted.

History of our land starting from the invasion of Mohammad Ghazni in 1000 AD to onslaught of China in 60’s is supportive of this fact. We are always betrayed by these nincompoops because we haven’t dealt them with an iron fist.

We have well over a billion population but we have not started to think and work as a nation of billion people – which is a deeply saddening part.

We certainly need Mahatma Gandhi’s ideas and ideals, but when it comes to politics let’s follow Kautilya.

By shouting against our own people and by completely not understanding our true opponent we are making ourselves a weak and fragile nation. We have every reason to be impregnable, to be challenging and even lead the world. But by applying our right ideology at the wrong place we are sure to weaken our resolve and kill our prospect of becoming a happy, prosperous and formidable nation.

Read also:

1) KAUTILYA

2) HINDU KUSH 

3) TERROR  AGAINST  INDIA

http://mjacolumnists.blogspot.com/2009/01/right-ideology-wrong-place.html ***

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** What is “HINDU KUSH”

January 19, 2009 · 3 Comments

THE JIHADI STATE OF HINDU KUSH   

A challenge to India’s security

South Asia Analysis Group

- R. Upadhayay

The Hindu Kush (Persian word meaning Hindu slayer) mainly running through  Afghanistan and Pakistan is nearly 1600 K.M. long and 300 K.M. wide stretching from the Pamir plateau near Gilgit to Iran. Its passes particularly the Khyber that provided easy access to the alien invaders called Mlechchhas (barbaric) during their military and political expeditions into the land of the Hindus. 

Since the Arab-Perso-Turk invaders  entered Indian sub-continent through the passes of this  mountain sub-range of  Himalaya and slaughtered millions of Hindus, they called it Hindu Kush which in Persian language means Hindu slayer.  

A silent witness to the jihadi terror from Mohammad bin Kasim in 8th century, Ghaznavi in 11th century, Ghauri in the 12th century, Taimure lane in 1398 AD, Nader Shah in 1739 AD, Babar in 1526 to Ahmad Shah Abdali alias Abdul Shah Durrani in 1760.  India is still facing the legacy of its Persian name.  

William James Durant (1885-1981) in his book – ‘The story of Civilisation’ argued that “the Muslim conquest of the Indian sub-continent led to widespread carnage because Muslims regarded the Hindus as infidels and therefore slaughtered and converted millions of Hindus”

 
Although, the Marxist historians do not subscribe to the ‘ Sword Theory’ of Islamists, renowned historian Sir Jadunath Sarkar  also contended that several Muslim invaders waged a systematic jihad against the Hindus to the effect that “Every device short of massacre in cold blood was resorted to in order to convert heathen subjects.” (Wikipedia Encyclopaedia).
 
Similarly, on the basis of the available historical evidence, a noted historian K.S. Lal in his book ‘Growth of Muslim population in Medieval India’ concluded that about 60 to 80 million Hindus died  between 1000 and 1525 CE as a result of the Islamic invasion of India. He estimated that about 2 million people died during Mahmud of Ghazni’s invasions of India (pp. 211-217). Thus, Hindu-Kush being the jihadi-route of Isalm in Indian sub-continent perpetually remained vulnerable from the security angle, throughout the ages. 

 

Historically, empowerment of jihadi terrorism is rooted to the geo-political ideology of Arabian imperialism which began its march in seventh century A.D with the objective of political domination over entire world. Medieval history of Islamist conquests also suggests that Saudi Arabia is the ideological father of jihadi terrorism with the success of jihad in Islamisation of Afghanistan when the sword the Arab warlords crossed over Hindu-Kush and established socio-political and religious hegemony in the Indian sub-continent. 

Spreading the culture of hate against the Hindus on the ground of religion, they forced Islam upon a sizeable chunk of population in the Indo-Gangetic valley and imposed their Perso-Arabian culture over them in the name of faith. However, with the collapse of Islamic rule in 1857 and Ottoman Empire or institution of Caliphate in 1924 the Arab world particularly Saudi Arabia remained subdued till the end of the colonial rule of the British in the sub-continent.  

Aware of the jihadi instinct of the Arabs and strategic importance of the Hindu Kush in South Asia the British managed their control over it to secure its colonial border from the Islamists. Although the British left the sub-continent in August 1947, Hindu Kush failed to escape the crossfire of the superpowers namely America and Soviet Union. The Arab world particularly Saudi Arabia on the other had never forgot the humiliation they suffered after the loss of their geo-political hegemony in the region.  

With years of spade work through catalytic funding for jihadi Islam in South Asia in general and India in particular; Saudi Arabia also revived the medieval base for jihad in Hindu Kush.

After the withdrawal of Russian army, the Taliban and Al Qaida became the custodian of jobless jihadis in Hindu Kush from Kashmir, Bangladesh and Myanmar. Providing further training and protection in Pakistan, they were deployed in terror war against India and with a view to drag the latter to the era of medievalism.  

The terror war is unlike a conventional war during which the army of two sovereign nations are deployed along their respective borders and engaged in violent attack or defence for their geo-political interest. It is something which is fought against any State by a group of individuals under the banner of some organizations patronized by some individuals or even by some States for the sake of certain political ideology.  

Since India lost its border with Hindu Kush to Pakistan after the partition of the sub-continent, this route to the Arabian ideology of jihad became vulnerable.  

Now India is no more in a position to deploy its army along Hindu Kush to check the entry of jihadi terrorists from this region as the area is now a part of Pakistan. The Central Asian countries bordering Afghanistan have effectively insulated themselves from the fall out of the jihadi militancy groomed by the conspirators in Hindu Kush.  

The Hindu Kush with political predominance of the modern co-fathers of jehadi terrorists, a regional operative base of medieval ideology of Arabs and a nodal point to launch terror war against the non-Islamic civilization in South Asia particularly India is a challenge to the humanity in general and India is particular.  

Recognition of Taliban regime by Saudi Arabia and  “Saudi king Abdullah hosting high-level talks in Mecca between the Afghan government and Taliban” also sends a clear signal to India.  

  In view of the historical background of 20 odd tribes in Afghanistan who resisted against the three super powers namely British in nineteenth century, Soviet Union in twentieth century and USA just in the first year of twenty first century, it will be difficult to root out the jihadis from the Hindu Kush. Historically, Hindu Kush became a grave yard of the geo-political ambitions of the great powers.

Even the policy makers of USA have realized it as they too have failed to clear the region from the jihadists of Taliban and Al-Qaida. The US is yet to have a clear political and military strategy in Afghanistan.  

India has well responded to the civil duty by spending millions of dollars for re-construction of Afghanistan but  it has nothing to show that the new incumbent took any firm step to change the Persian meaning of Hindu Kush. Taliban is still maintaining its base in this region and found operating in every province of Afghanistan.  

Hindu Kush, has emerged as ‘Jihadistan’, a state within the State of Afghanistan. Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden are still acknowledged as spiritual and political ‘Emirs’ by the natives in the region. They have influenced the locals to sever their relationship to the government “and also preach them to support jihad against the Americans and the government which they consider infidel” (jansamachar.net).  

After creation of Pakistan, Hindu Kush became more vulnerable for India from the security point of view as it lost its day to day contact with the land of Kabuliwalas.  

Pakistan on the other hand strengthened its Islamist link in the region and turned it into a jihadi base. Repeated terror attacks in Pakistani cities suggest that the jihadi terrorists have stealthily crossed the Hindu Kush following the foot prints of medieval jihadis with the possible danger of dragging India also at a later stage.    

Against the backdrop of the complex situation, the need arises for India to evolve its independent strategy to calibrate the geopolitical alignments and shore up its political and strategic assets in the war torn Hindu Kush and defend itself from the on going civilisational onslaught from the Arabian ideology of jihad.  

Apart from mobilsing the world community to transform Hindu Kush into a peace zone for resolving the problem of Islamist terrorism there is a need check the substantial funding from oil earned Arabian fund earmarked for jakat for propagation of radical Islam in India which provides a congenial atmosphere for the growth of home grown terrorists.  (The author can be reached at e-mail ramashray60@rediffmail.com) 

What is Hindu Kush @ http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/hindu_kush.html 

Hindus, Jews & Jihad @ http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/hindus_jews_and_jihad_terror_i.html

 

Pakistan’s Hate Culture@ http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=272&page=7

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** Anti-Brahmanism: Study

November 2, 2008 · 3 Comments

Anti-Brahmanism: A Case Study to Indian Muslims

U. Mahesh Prabhu, ivarta

The Great Uprising of 1857 unnerved the British, though for a while. Within two or three years of quelling it, and with great ferocity, they set to work putting together a version of the incident that would suit their ends. “The uprising was confined to just a few pockets”, they said, adding, “it erupted as a result of local misunderstandings”, and that “there was no national sentiment behind it for the leaders themselves fought only for their feudal privileges-one because her son was not being recognized, another because his pension was being stopped, and so on.” This version was believed to be the true narration of the incident for so long that it even finds mention in Nehru”s “Discovery of India”!

The British did not stop at rewriting history books. They initiated a series of real politick measures. As Brahmins had provided the ideological leaven for the uprising, the campaign of calumny against them was redoubled.

They started their propaganda against the Brahmins and an era of anti-Brahmanism began which lives on till date.

Though the British just gave a boost to such sentiments, they were not the beginners of the legacy. In the book “Diwan-i-Salman“, Khwaja Masud bin Sa”d bin Salman wrote of the Battle of Jalandhar (Punjab) thus: “The narrative of any battle eclipses the stories of Rustam and Isfandiyar. By morning meal, not one soldier, not one Brahmin remained alive or free. Their heads were levelled to the ground with flaming fire. Thou have secured the victory to the country and to religion, for amongst the Hindus this achievement will be remembered till the day of resurrection.”

In Mughal times, Sheikh Ahmad (Mujaddid) of Sirhind wrote a letter to Mirza Darab excerpts of which read thus: “Hindu Brahmans and Greek philosophers have spent a lot of time on religion. Since their efforts were not according to the Shariat of the prophet, they were all fools. They will remain devoid of salvation.”

According to the Tawarikh Firishta, Firoz Shah Bahmani (circa 1398-99), kidnapped 2,000 Brahman women, who were later freed by Raja Devaraya of the Vijayanagara Empire.

A country is never fully defeated as long as its martial and intellectual leaders exist. A self-conscious imperialism undertakes to reduce them as its first important task.

Muslims coming to India found brave, armed, men and a Brahman class providing cultural and spiritual leadership. Dr. Ambedkar, quoting Muslim historians, says the first act of religious zeal by Mohammad bin Qasim, the first Arab invader, was circumcision of Brahmans. “But, after they objected, he put to death all above the age of seventeen.”

Rev. C. Buchanan said Indians should be baptized because “it attaches the governed to the governors.” They thought that Brahmans came in the way of their dream of a baptized India. They started blackening and discrediting them. A brochure called “The Book of Wisdom” with 279 verses was widely circulated by missionaries under William Carey, touted as the father of the Indian press. It was one of the first he printed and is addressed to the “mean, despicable Brahmans”. The brochure promises hell for heathens and salvation through Christ.

The British administration found Brahmans to be the only “national” caste, held in much respect and capable of providing political leadership. They fomented anti-Brahman movements in different parts of the country which are still very powerful in today”s secular India.

Their fears were well-founded. Brahmins were the intellectual leaders of the Independence struggle. Thus anti-Brahmanism was a construct of the last two centuries. And though learnt under the colonial-missionary aegis, it became an important category of future social thinking and political action.

Brahmans began to be described as “cunning, parasitic, exploiters and authors of the iniquitous caste system”.

A lot of scholarship and intellectual labour was put into this thesis before it acquired its present momentum and currency. Anti-Brahmanism originated in, and still prospers in anti-Hindu circles.

It is particularly welcome among Marxists, missionaries, Muslims, separatists, and casteists, of different hues. When they attack Brahmans, their target is unmistakably Hinduism.

Even in the freedom struggle, the contribution of Brahmans under the leadership of the Mahatma was enormous. A great percentage of his followers were Brahmans and hence, the country owes quiet a lot to them, and they certainly deserved special privileges.

But when freedom was attained, their services were quickly forgotten. In the name of empowering the lower caste, their right to a fair chance in education, service, and so many other things, was snatched away.

There is no credible testimony to the fact that Brahmins ever opposed upliftment of the lower caste, yet the government, for the sake of “strengthening the weak”, in every sense, weakened the strong.

Today, the situation is such that Brahmans have been practically deprived and made to suffer in the same way as the Dalits were “made to suffer”.

There are 50 “sulabh shauchalayas” (public toilets) in Delhi; all of them are cleaned and looked after by Brahmans (this much-needed public institution was started by a Brahman).

A far cry from the elitist image that Brahmans have! There are five to six Brahmans manning each toilet. They came to Delhi eight to ten years ago looking for a source of income, as they were a minority in most of their villages, where Dalits constitute the majority (60 to 65 per cent). In most villages in UP and Bihar, Dalits have a union which helps them secure jobs.

Did you know that you also stumble upon a number of Brahmans working as coolies at Delhi”s railway stations? One of them, Kripa Shankar Sharma, says that though his daughter is doing her graduation in science, he is not sure if she will secure a job. “Dalits often have five to six children, but they are confident of getting them placed easily and well,” he says.

As a result, the Dalit population in villages is increasing. He adds, “Dalits are provided with housing, even their pigs have spaces; whereas there is no provision for “gaushalas” (cowsheds) for the cows of the Brahmans”.

This reverse discrimination is also found in bureaucracy and politics. Most of the intellectual Brahman Tamil class has emigrated outside Tamil Nadu. Only 5 seats from the 600 in the combined UP and Bihar assemblies are held by Brahmans-the rest are in the hands of the Yadavs.

At least 400,000 Brahmans of the Kashmir valley, the once respected Kashmiri Pandits, now live as refugees in their own country, sometimes in refugee camps in Jammu and Delhi in appalling conditions. But who gives a damn about them? This is all simply because their vote bank is negligible.

At Tamil Nadu”s Ranganathaswamy Temple, a priest”s monthly salary is Rs 300 (as per the Census Department findings) and a daily allowance of one measure of rice. The government staff at the same temple receive Rs 2,500 and above every month. But these facts have not modified the priests” reputation as “haves” and as “exploiters”. The destitution of Hindu priests has moved none, not even the parties sympathetic to Hindus.

The Indian government gives Rs 1,000 crores (Rs 10 billion) in salaries for “imams” in mosques and Rs 200 crores (Rs 2 billion) as Haj subsidies. But no such help is available to the Brahmans and the upper castes.

As a result, not only the Brahmans, but also some of the other upper castes are suffering in silence today, seeing the minorities slowly taking control of their majority.

Even after so many years of persecution by invaders and their own countrymen, Brahmans still continue to suffer in silence and yet, contribute in a very positive way to this land. Not a day has ever been recorded in history when Brahmans, anywhere in this land, have resorted to arms.

There are incredible success stories attributed to them. Had there been no Brahmans, the IT sector of India, in which the media and government take pride, would not have even existed. There are so many industrialists, academicians, journalists, engineers, and doctors, who continue to contribute to this land by trying to forget their deprivation.

In light of this, I wish to ask my Muslim brethren as to what they are complaining about. Can they complain of more atrocities than the Brahmans? Everyone has had their share of bad luck. I am a Brahman, but I hold no prejudice against Muslims or Christians for they are my countrymen today. I always say “we have issues to resolve” and not “scores to settle”.

Yet, whenever I try to expose the negations and false concoctions of Muslim and Christian intellectuals I am easily branded a “fanatic”, “fundamentalist” and what not.

The point I wish to wish to make here is simple. If Brahmans, after facing so much opposition from everyone including those of their own faith, can keep up their courage, write stories of passion, and contribute proactively, without brooding over their plight, then it is certainly possible for the Muslims to do so provided they come to terms with modern world dynamics and shun violence in all forms and types.

F. Gautier on Brahmins/Dalits http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/may/23franc.htm

Colonial anti-Brahminism @ http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1997/11/1997-11-10.shtml

Anti-Brahminism/Semitism @ http://globeonline.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/anti-semitismbrahminism/

http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/india-usa-blog-column190.htm  —

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** Post-1947 India’s Intellect…

October 19, 2008 · 3 Comments

The intellectual scene in Post-independence India

Speech of S. Gurumurthy given to IIT Chennai 

Defeat and anger go together. Abuse and defeat go together. So, it is in this norm and with this understanding of what an intellectual debate means, I would like to place before you some of my thoughts today. Some of may find it provocative. I am confident that the audience is competent enough to absorb this and think rather than get into the mood which all of us have got used to in the last 30-40 years abuse. 

Background: India before Independence:

Let us see the pre-independence background, the intellectual content of India. See the kind of personalities who led the Indian mind Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo, Gandhiji, Tilak- giants in their own way. Most of them were involved in politics, active politics, day-to-day politics, handling men, walking on the road, addressing meetings, solving problems between their followers. And, meeting the challenges posed by the enemy, the conspiracies hatched against them. They were handling everything, yet, they were maintaining an intellectual supremacy, and an originality which history has recorded. 

Let us look at the academic side. Whether it is a P.C. Ray who wrote on Indian Chemistry in 1905 or Sir C.V. Raman who wrote about mridangam, tabala, and violin, and saw the physics in it (this was in 1913); whether it was R.C. Majumdar or Radhakumud Mukherjee who saw greatness in the Indian civilization; trying to bring up points, instances, historical evidence to mirror the greatness of India to the defeated Indian race, they were all building the Indian mind brick by brick. 

Sri Aurobindo spoke of Sanatana Dharma as the nationalism of India. He didn’t rank it as a philosophy. He brought it down to the level of emotional consciousness. Swami Vivekananda spoke of spiritual nationalism; it was the same Swami who spoke of Universal brotherhood. For them philosophy was not removed from the ground reality. The nation was at the core of their philosophy. Swami Vivekananda was called the “patriot monk”. 

Mahatma Gandhi spoke of Rama Rajya. Bankim Chandra wrote Bande Maataram. The song, the slogans in it, the mantra in it made hundreds of people kiss the gallows smilingly and many others went to jail. It transformed the life of the people. This was the intellectual scene, this was the content. This is what powered the intellectual as well as the mass movement in India. This was the core of India, the soul of the Indian freedom movement. 

The symptoms: India immediately after Independence

Imagine what happened in 1947 and after, India was able to intellectually lead not only Indians but also the whole world because of the intellectual assertion that the freedom movement brought about. Let us look at post Independence India. The persons who led post-Independence India were also trained in the same freedom movement. They went to jail, but they were not rooted in the intellectual content of the Freedom movement!

The first Prime Minister of India Jawaharlal Nehru was in jail for 7 years. He was a great intellectual, purely in the sense of his capacity to reason, understand, read, and expound a thought. He told Galbrieth once, “I would be regarded as the last English Prime Minister of India.” See the intellectual capability of the man, the enormously competent mind.

But intellectualism doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It has to be rooted in something concrete. Swami Vivekananda’s universal brotherhood was rooted in India’s greatness as a civilization. The concept of “Vasudaiva Kutumbakam” cannot exist without a living form, a population which believes in it and believes in itself. You need to have a society which believes in it. 

That is why India could invite the Jews who were butchered, raped, all over the world. In 107 out of 108 countries, this race was butchered. At least they had the courtesy and the gratitude to publish a book.  

The Israeli government published a book that out of 108 countries that we sought refuge, the only civilization, the only country, the only people, the only ideology that gave us refuge was the Indian civilization. They published a book, which most Indians are unaware of. 

And we invited the Muslims. The refugee Muslims first landed in Kutch. And they are called the Kutchy Memons even today but not the Memons who bomb Mumbai. But the Memons who lived with us. 

In the year 1917, many of you might be aware, a case went to the Prey Council, equivalent to the Supreme Court now.

The Kutchy Memons went and told the Prey Council that we are Muslims for namesake, but we follow only the Hindu law. Please don’t impose the Shariat on us. The Prey Council ruled that they are Muslims but the only sacred book they have is called “Dasaavathaara”, it is not Koran. In fact they knew no language other than the Kutchy language. 

And in the “Dasaavathaara”, nine avatharas were common between Hindus and Kutchy Memons. We call the tenth avathaara “Kalki” and they call him “Ali”. The Prey Council ruled that the Shariyat law is not applicable to them. The All India Muslim League took up the case, went to the British and told them that this finding is dangerous to Islam and requested them to pass a law which will overrule this judgment. The British government passed a law in 1923 which was called the “The Kutchy Memons Act” declaring, “If a Kutchy Memon wants to follow the Shariat, allow him to do so”. 

It doesn’t mean a Muslim must follow the Shariat. Between 1923-1937, before the All India Shariat Act was passed not a single Kutchy Memon filed an affidavit with the plea that he wants to follow the Shariaat. That was the integration prevalent in India.

In 1937, when the All India Shariat Act was passed, the preamble to the act mentioned that this was being passed by a demand made by the AIML leader Mohammed Ali Jinnah. Today, the Shariat has become a part of Muslim consciousness. 

The purpose behind making you aware of this background is that 99% of the people who speak about the constitutional rights of the minorities or the distinctiveness of Muslim life are unaware of the facts.

Till the year 1980, in Cooch Behar district, the Shariat law was not applicable. In 32 instances between 1923 and 1947 by legislation, the Shariyat law was not applicable to the Muslims. This is the extent of the intellectual gap in India. 

Secularism: A Reversal and perversion of the Indian mind.

And now, coming to what is the position today. Everything that drove the freedom movement – everything that constituted the soul of the freedom movement, whether it is the Ram rajya of Gandhiji or Sanaatana Dharma of Sri Aurobindo or the spiritual patriotism of Vivekananda or the soul stirring Vande Maataram song, came to be regarded not only as unsecular but as sectarian, communal and even as something harmful to the country.

Thus, there was a reversal, a perversion of the Indian mind. How did it occur? Today, the intellectualism of India means to denigrate India.

There are mobile citizens and there are non- citizens deriding India. Go to the Indian Airlines counter you will find people deriding India. Go to a post office they will deride India. Go to a railway station, they will deride India. It is the English educated Indian’s privilege to deride India. 

When I was talking to postal employees in the GPO, Chennai (a majority of them were women). I told them the basic facts about the post office. I said it is one of the most efficient postal systems in the world, one of the cheapest in the world, one of the most delivery perfect postal systems in the world. For one rupee, you are able to transport information from one end of the country to the other. 

And you have a postman, no where in the world this happens the postman goes to the illiterate mother and reads out the letter, he is asked to sit there and shares a cup of coffee and comes away. Money orders are delivered to the last rupee. It is an amazing system, one of the largest postal systems linking one of the most populous nations, one of the most complicated nations with so many languages.

Somebody writes the address in Tamil and it gets delivered in Patna! It gets delivered to Jawaan at warfront! When I completed my speech many of the women were wiping their tears. I asked why are you crying I have only praised you. They said, “Sir, this is the first time we’ve been praised, otherwise we’ve only been abused!” 

You know how many people use the railways in India? A million people and that is equivalent to the population of Australia! And we have only abuses for them! Have we any idea of what this country is? India has been compared with Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea, Japan and Taiwan. You can walk across many of these countries in one night (laughs)! The best politicians, intellectuals, sociologists in India have compared us with them because, we have never understood what we are and unless you do that, you can never relate us with others. 

Demonising India: Projecting a negative image.

This enormous intellectual failure, to the extent of being intellectually bankrupt, did not occur overnight, it was no accident. There is a history behind this enormous erosion. And I told you about these mobile citizens, what they have done to us. Every country has problems. There is no country without any problem.  

Are you aware of what is one of the most pressing problems in America today? It is incurable according to the American sociologists; even American economists have begun to agree with them. American politicians are shaken, one third of the pregnant women are school going children. And mothers mix the anti-pregnancy pill in the food without daughter’s knowledge everyday. 

But this is not the image of America. The image of America is a technologically advanced country etc. etc. Ours is the only country where the mobile citizens of India have transformed the problems of India into the image of India -its identity is inherently related with its problems. 

Go to any country and the same negative stereotype is echoed that India is suffering from poverty and malnutrition. India has no drinking water. Indian women are burnt. If they are married, they are burnt, if they are widows, they are burnt. See the image that has been built about this country. Who did this? The English educated Indian. 

And one Kaluraam Meena (have you ever heard of him? Asks the audience to raise their hands if they have), only a small fraction of this large audience has heard of him.  

When Clinton came to India, he went to a village called Nayla where the villagers interacted with him. And one of the panchayat board members asked him, “Sir, I am told that in the West, all of you believe that this country is a rotten country, a backward country, a poor, hungry country. Do you also think like that?”

Clinton was shaken, because he might have thought that this person might be approaching him for some favour.  

I will relate my experience when I went to the Carter Centre in 1993. They were talking about dispute resolution and all that. I went there to meet somebody, if not Carter, somebody else at least. His Deputy, a lady, was very hesitant to receive me. “Mr. Gurumurthy”, she said, “Mr. Carter is not around, anyway, I can spare seven-eight minutes for you.” I said three or four minutes of your time would do. Even before I could start, she said, “Mr.Gurumurthy, we don’t have funds, we will not be able to help” (laughter from the audience). I replied, “Let us assume you have a hundred billion dollars, how much will you give me? One billion? One million?” 

She kept quiet, I said: “I don’t need your money. I came here to discuss whether community living is an answer to disputes. I have come to discuss this because you have suggested electoral means to resolve problems in communities which have no damn idea of what an election is; whether community living is an answer because you don’t what that means. She sat and discussed this with me for two hours. This is the image we have projected that anybody, who comes from India, comes to beg. Ordinary Indians did not create this impression; educated Indians created it. This is the work of civil servants, NGOs. Christian missionaries during the freedom movement created this. Indians are filthy, rotten, dirty and unhealthy, advertising abroad these are the people who need to be saved. We have to Christianise them, enlighten them, and give us money. I can understand that because it is their business. But what did we do after 1947? 

We repeated the same mistakes. We projected India as a country of unending problems. As I said, every country has problems. Only in India, problems become identities. How many dowry deaths take place in India in a year? Yet, India is projected as a country burning its own daughter-in-laws. And we also talk about it. Every damn newspaper will be writing about it.

We believe in self-deprecation. And this goes on in the guise of intellectualism in India. And one woman, she attempted to take a film of the widows. I wrote an article, asking her to go to Lijjat Paapad. A widow brought me up. Millions of widows have worked to bring up their children. It is a nation, which believes in Tapasya.  You may not believe in it but you are an exception. 

Compare Deepa Mehta”s attitude with Sarada Maa’s who was the wife, who became a widow after Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa’s passing away. She went to the very same place where Deepa Mehta went and saw the widows. Sarada Maa said, “These widows are so pure, they are an illustration and an example to me.” Deepa Mehta saw them as prostitutes. The widows have already been hurt once. Why are you sprinkling salt on their wounds? 

I am very sorry to speak about this, but I have to, this audience is enlightened enough to understand me. Indian women are sexually unsatisfied and so they are becoming lesbians? This is one bloody story against us, about us. This is the image of Indian men and women, and this film is in English. Catherine Mayo wrote a book and Mahatma Gandhi said about it, “I have no time to read this filth. But I am under a compulsion, under pressure because this has been published abroad. The image of India has been rubbished and I have to counter it.” With this introduction, he wrote about the book and said that this woman is a gutter inspector (laughs).

The intellectualism in India is gutter inspection- people are of this kind etc. Understand the level of erosion. 

Indian Politics: Weaknesses and Pitfalls

Let us look at the post independence scenario from the macro level. We installed a system of governance and it postulated all the important goals for the Indian society and polity, which was gulped by the Indian academia, by the Indian intellectuals.  

We will have a classless society through socialism. We will have a casteless society through equality. We will have a faithless society through secularism. We will have a modern society devoid of tradition. 

Instead of politics restructuring caste, caste has restructured politics today.  

Political parties are talking only in terms of castes. Has any Indian intellectual come to terms with caste? You must understand caste if you want to handle the Indian society. You cannot say that I want to have a very different kind of society. You have to handle the Indian sentiment, the Indian tradition and Indian beliefs. You can’t clone a society of your choice in India. Social engineering has failed everywhere; the masters of social engineering have given up the Communists – whether it is sociologists or economists you have to accept a society as it is. You can only increase the momentum of evolution in the society; you can’t forcibly bring about a revolution today. But, Indian leaders and intellectuals, till today, keep abusing caste. They don’t know how to handle the caste. 

Let me narrate to you how a community in Karaikudi handled this issue. The Chettiyar community assembled top businessmen, professionals from all over the world for 3 days to discuss their culinary act, how to construct houses, what languages they use, what old adages and stories their grand parents used to tell, what clothes they used to wear; not one word of politics, mind you. This was not even published in the newspapers. Intellectuals were not even aware of it.  

So, caste is a very important instrument in India, you may not like it. Unfortunately, every intellectual leads a caste life inside, but outside he is casteless! He is cloning an approach outside. There is no intellectual honesty at all.

 And what happened in the case of secularism? In India, any one who is not a Hindu is per se secular.

In the year 1947, just 10 years had passed after the Muslim League demanded and got the country partitioned, the leader who voted for the resolution for the partition of India was Quazi Millath Ismail, (who was leading the same Muslim League on the Indian side), the Congress certified that the Muslim League in Kerala is secular and hence it can associate with them. The Muslim League outside Kerala is communal with the same president!

Three hundred and fifty crores are spent today for the Haj pilgrims out of the funds of secular India every year. No one can raise an objection. At least I can understand why politicians don’t want to do that because they want the Muslim votes.  

But what about the intelligentsia. What about newspaper editors and journalists? And academicians? None of them speak out. The reason is that we have produced a state dependent intellectualism in India.

We don’t produce Nakkeerans anymore, our intellectualism is a derivative of the State and the State is a derivative of the polity. And in turn the polity is a derivative of the mind of Macaulay and Marx. 

The Indian education system: A Legacy of Macaulay.

This Macaulayian system of education is a poison injected into our system. At least I had the opportunity of schooling in Tamil and hence could withstand the corruption that this English education brings with it. This corruption begins the moment the child steps out of the house. He is told to converse in English at home. This did not happen even in pre-Independence India, even when Macaulay wrote that notorious note sitting in Ooty.  

How many of you know Macaulay’s formulation? Just those two or three sentences at least which form the crux – “We require an education system in India which will produce a class of interpreters, who will be Indian in colour and Englishmen in taste, opinions and morals.”  

This is the education system, which we have been continuing with, which was earlier conceived to produce clerks for the British Empire. If you have to differ from an English educated person you have to differ only through the English language. If you have to abuse somebody, even that has to be done in English! If you abuse the Anglicised Indian, he will not find fault with the blame but with the grammar in your language! This is the extent to which a foreign language has possessed us.  

But, we must master English, that is needed, but why do we have to become slaves of the English language? We must use that language as a tool, but why do we consider it as a status symbol? This is the influence of Macaulay. 

If you want to understand the Macaulay/Marxist mix in India, you have to go a little back to see how Marxism grew out of the Christian civilisation. I recommend that you read the Nov 27, 1999 edition of the Newsweek, which describes how the Christian idea of the end of time called the “apocalypse”, influenced the entire history, art, music, prognosis, sociology, economics, and the entire attitude of the Christian civilisation towards the non-Christian civilisations. 

A Christian scholar who describes how Communism grew out of Christianity has written it. In 1624, Anna Baptists, a group of Christians who believed in the basic tenets of Christianity seized power in a particular place, banned private property and use of any book other than the Bible. When Marxism came up later through the exposition of Das Capital, the Marxists began expounding their doctrine as an extension of Christianity.

The thesis, antithesis and synthesis of making Christianity acceptable to the age of enlightenment was the Hegelian way demanded rationalisation of Christianity in the days of the Protestant movement. Hegel began with a disagreement, then started interacting with Christianity and ultimately ended up accepting Christianity. You can see the same phenomenon with Marxist postulates- “capitalism is my enemy, we have to deal with capitalism” and finally “we have to find a synthesis with capitalism”. 

Marx on India

In fact in the year 1857, Marx wrote about India, ” India was a prosperous civilisation. It had a very high standard of living. Their productivity was higher. India was an economic giant.” It was so. If you look at the statistics in 1820, India’s share of world production was 19%, and England’s share was 9%, please note that Britain was deep into the industrial revolution at that time. 18% of the world trade was in Indian hands at that time whereas 8% was the figure for Britain and 1% for US. When 80% of the American population was engaged in agriculture, India had 60% of the population engaged in non-agricultural occupations. This is supposed to be an index of development. All these statistics can be found in Paul S. Kennedy’s “Rise and Fall of Great Powers”. 

So, Marx says, “This was a great civilisation which had produced prosperous communities.” A prosperity which went deep into the villages. In the early stages, when the East India Company came to Murshidabad, an unknown name in Bengal today the Britishers were awe struck with its prosperity and wrote that it was more prosperous than London. This is no more disputed anyway, even by Indian intellectuals. Marx acknowledges the fact that this was a prosperous country and also had equality but unfortunately, he says for 2000 years the society did not change nor did it allow any revolutionary forces to enter! In his worldview human beings cannot progress without a revolution! 

In the two articles on British rule in India and the East India Company- history and results written by Marx, quoted in the New York daily “Karl Marx” does grant though somewhat in a grudging manner that “materially, India was fairly industrious and prosperous even before the onset of the British rule. He said that India was an exporting country till 1830 and started importing because it had opened its trade to the British.”

Many of you may not be aware that the kings in India had no right to over the lands, which came under the jurisdiction of panchayats. Whether it was Emperor Ashoka or Bhagavan Sri Ramachandra, the rule was the same. It was changed only during the British rule under the Ryotwari system. Even the Mughals could not change it. It was also found that family communities were based on domestic industry, with the peculiar combination of hand-spinning, hand- weaving, agriculture etc. which gave them a supporting power. 

The misery inflicted by the British on Hindusthan is of an entirely different kind and infinitely more intense than what it had to suffer before civil wars, invasions, revolutions, conquests, famines all these did not go deeper than the surface.

But, England broke the entire framework of Hindusthan, the symptoms of reconstitution are yet to emerge clearly. This loss of the Old World without the emergence of a new order imparts a particular melancholy to the present misery of Hindus and Hindusthan. Marx goes on to say that the British interference destroyed the union between agriculture and the manufacturing industry. Suddenly he remarks that the English interference dissolved this semi barbarian, semi-civilised community. 

He concedes that they were prosperous, that they organised their affairs well, they have a measure of independence, they have a democracy at the lowest level, all this has been conceded. Then, how does he classify us as “semi-barbarian and semi-civilised communities”? He notes that India’s social condition remained unaltered since remote antiquity. This is important, for him revolution is the core, the soul and centre of the society. This society never had a revolution; hence it cannot be modern!  

There is an underlying assumption, which considers revolution as a pre- requisite for being modern.

Hence, he feels that the destruction wrought by the British is the inevitable revolution needed for the development of the Indian society. England had vested interests, violent interests in bringing about this “revolution”. But, the question in focus is whether mankind can fulfill its destiny without a fundamental revolution in the social state? Whatever might have been the crimes of England, she was the unconscious tool of history in bringing about a revolution, whatever bitterness the spectacle of crumbling of an ancient world may evoke, from the point of history, we have to exclaim – should this torture torment us?

Since it brings us great pleasure, were not the rule of Taimur, souls delivered without measure? It is a creative destruction in the cause of revolution according to him. If you see Indian Communism which was expounded by a man called Rajane Palme Dutt. Has anyone heard of his name? (Two persons from the audience raised their hands). Two. He was born of a white woman and an Indian father in England. He was in charge of Indian Communism for 25 years. He never came to India though. In his book, “India Today”, he laid down the framework, the policy for Indian Communists, what must be done, what is the kind of revolution needed in India, the development model etc. 

In those days, even good photographs of India were not available, yet this man spoke about India sitting in London. He came to India for the first time in 1946, ten years after he wrote this book and realised that he had to revise it. He stayed for 30 days!

A visitor to India was the father of Indian Communism! And from that day till date, the Indian Communist has never been with India.

Not only that, they took over the Indian mind in the post- independence period. It is these Marxist/Macaulayist intellectuals who will certify whether somebody is modern or traditional, backward or secular or communal, progressive or regressive.

They were running an Open Air University issuingcertificates every day through the press. They have branded me as a communal man. 

Labels: Tools for stultifying important debates

Labels substituted debate in India. Simply a label – communal, that is enough. Four or five editorials will appear preaching that Gurumurthy is communal and the matter must end there. No one would even discuss what communalism is! Religious fundamentalism, RSS/Bajrang Dal fundamentalism!

Anyone, who exposes the Hindu cause in India is a fundamentalist!

We have seen this term being used so casually and superfluously and incessantly by politicians and newspapers. Has anyone bothered to understand the meaning of religious fundamentalism going beyond these slogans? 

Secularism is an intra-Christian phenomenon. It has no application outside Christianity at all. Secularism resolved the fight between two powerful persons, the King and the Archbishop who were loyal to the same faith, to the same prophet, to the same book and to the same Church. It is not a multi-religious virtue. 

A multi-religious idea, a multi-religious living, a multi-religious culture, a multi-religious fabric or a multi-religious structure was unknown outside India. There was usually only one faith and no place for any other, not even for a variation of the same faith.  

Fifty six thousand Bahais were butchered in one hour in Tehran! They believed in the same Koran, in the same Muhammad, the only difference was that they said that Muhammad might come in another form again. That was their only fault and they were all butchered

But we have no such problem. We can play with God, we can abuse God, and we can beat God!

If I say that monotheistic religions have had a violent history, and the reply will be “you are communal.” But this is exactly the same conclusion that a study in Chicago revealed, probably, the only study on fundamentalism conducted by anybody so far. This fundamentalism project brought out five volumes each volume about eight hundred to nine hundred pages. The conclusion they have reached is that, “Fundamentalism is a virtue of Abrahamic religions. It is not applicable to eastern faiths at all.” 

What about the Indian intellectuals? Day in and day out, they keep abusing us as fundamentalists, communalists, that we are anti-secular and it is being gulped down by everyone including those from the IITs and IIMs, lawyers and police officials, journalists and politicians. Look at this intellectual bankruptcy. 

An inner revolution: The much needed change

We need a mental revolution, an inner revolution; we need to get rooted in our own soul. There is a missing element in India today and it is this. That element has to be restored otherwise Indian intellectualism will only be a carbon copy of Western intellectualism. We are borrowing not only their language and idiom but also we trying to copy the very soul of the West.

So, all that we need to do is (it is impossible to share the entire depth of the subject in one evening’s lecture programme. I have only tried out point out in an incoherent way, how a completely fresh mindset has to be evolved. And unless it evolves, the Indian mind, which leads India, will be in a perpetual state of confusion ordinary people are perfectly all right.

Consider for example how thirty years before there was a question whether Tamil Nadu will be a part of India or not. The Dravidian parties have taken over the mind of Tamil Nadu. It had virtually ceased to be a part of India. And their attack was aimed at Hinduism.

The moment you attack Hinduism you attack India. This is a fact. Neither politicians nor intellectuals nor academicians realised this. But, the ordinary people did.

Just three religious movements- the Ayyappa movement, the Kavadi movement and the Melmaruvatthur Adi Para Sakti movement- have finished the Dravidian ideology to a very great extent. It is only the outer shell of Dravidianism that remains today. Tamil Nadu has been brought back successfully by Ayyappa, Muruga and Para Sakti, not by the Congress or the BJP or any other political party. 

How many people have intellectually assessed the depth and the reach, the deep influence of religion over the people? A paradigm shift in a study of India would be an intellectual approach to this subject. Or consider for example its influence on economics.

Many of you by now would have studied economics in some detail. Take a look at the society in India and compare the figures for public expenditure for private purposes, which is called the social security system in the West.   

30% of the GDP in America is spent for social security, 48% in England, 49% in France, 56% in Germany and 67% in Sweden. This private expenditure is nothing but what you and I do by taking care of parents, our wives and children, brothers and sisters and grandparents, widowed sisters and distant relatives.  

This expenditure is met by the society in India.

And there is no law in India that people should do this. We consider it as our dharma. A person went to a court and demanded a divorce from his father and mother. The American court granted it saying that the only relationship that exists between two persons of America is their citizenship. The law in America recognises no other relationship … 

In the year 1978, an interesting incident occurred in Manhattan. There was a power failure for six hours. Manhattan is in the heart of New York where you find the UN building, the World Trade Centre and the head quarters of many multinational companies. One third of the world’s health is concentrated in Manhattan. Within six hours, hundreds of people were killed, robbed and assaulted. We don’t need electricity to behave in a civilised manner. How many intellectuals in India have ever articulated from such a sympathetic approach? We have only tarnished the image of this country. We must be ashamed of this. 

Conclusion

I shall conclude my speech with this example. When Sri Aurobindo came to Pondicherry in search of a new light. He used to get five rupees from a friend and four persons used to live on this. A cup of tea was one of the luxuries they used to have everyday in the morning, on the Pondicherry beach. 

Sri Aurobindo used to always look at a mystic called Kullachamy (Subramanya Bharati has written a poem about him). He used to behave like a madman, wandering here and there, throwing stones … One, day he came near Sri Aurobindo, lifted his cup of tea and emptied it in front of him. Then he showed the empty cup to him, placed it on the table and went away. Sri Aurobindo’s friends were angry and wanted to chase him. Sri Aurobindo stopped them and said, “This is the kind of instruction I had been expecting from him. He wants me to empty my mind and start thinking afresh.” 

That is my appeal to you!

Related stories:

Under seige ? @ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6644225536753124845&hl=en

Bias in Media @ http://indowave.tripod.com/AntiHinduMedia.html

Invading the Sacred @ http://worldmonitor.wordpress.com/2007/08/13/invading-the-sacred/

Caste of Hindus @ http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Caste_System.htm

Motivated INDOLOGY @ http://indiaview.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/communal-clash-13-arrested/

http://psenthilraja.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/the-intellectual-scene-in-post-independence-india/ 

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WOW  BOLLYWOOD : DOWN  MEMORY  LANE 

Vande Mataram/Matarm – Lata Mangeshkar     

2)  Vande Matram ( OLD)

Aao bachon tumhe dikhayein

SHAHEED- Ay Watan

Bharat ki baat sunaata hoon

Mann Tarpat Hari Darshan

 jago mohan pyare

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Mat bhool are Insaan @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy5_qacyhHs&NR=1

Yeh chaman hamara apna hai @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbgAWrlI-SA&feature=related

Nanhe Munne bacche teri mutthi mein @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYFgXUc_Hq4&feature=related

Choro kal ki baaten @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0PKCMhFdjk&feature=related

Chalo chale maa @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BjkbX_3N-o&feature=related

Laga chunri mein daag @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efh7sCK6njA&feature=related

Baat baat pe rutho na @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayEVN0je4Xk&feature=related

Jab liya hath mein hath @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhEz0gM-fJg&feature=related

Teri shokh nazar ka ishara @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axK_0p4bdjg&feature=related

Rang dil ki dharkan @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co9dlS7CFV8&feature=related

Kabhi tanhayion mein @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-FuMAFtw9o&feature=related

Raat ne kya kya khwab dikhaye @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYDgIfSjSeI&feature=related

Tere phoolon se bhi pyar @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLOAcOPwpE0&feature=related

Hai kali kali ke lab par @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xlm78C3720&feature=related

Dhalti jaye raat @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaIi_nD4UFE&feature=related

Yaad suhani teri @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAoWuLMcG8Q&feature=related

Akeli mat jayiyo @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv1B2ZFyIUI&feature=related

Aaj duniya suhani hai @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ9rBN3aQkk&feature=related

Taron ki zuban par @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zilUZLM0pY8&feature=related

Jeet hi lenge baazi @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmddEDxEeqE&feature=related

Mein Tumhi se poochati hun @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mgSZtFmRgo&feature=related

Kahan le chale ho musafir @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd554_KrpgE&feature=related

Yaad rkhna chand taron @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9lLM3BW9ic&feature=related

Aapki nazron ne samjha @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz4OB0n6Juo&feature=related

Dil pukare aa ja @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEGTTvdr1_8&feature=related

Pyar par bas nahi @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNgC5whfpM&feature=related

Lagi choote na @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHb7_7y_R24&feature=related

Sajan sang neha laga @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnpj2zpdZM8&feature=related

Tu pyar ka sagar hai @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QM8ohMGneY&feature=related

Tu pyar ka sagar hai @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QM8ohMGneY&feature=related

Kahan jaa raha hai @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOLElBiG7pk&feature=related

O saba kehna mere dildar ko @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRk0T7Wq81s&feature=related

Bhala karne wale @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJOp9SXh5lA&feature=related

O chand jahan wo jayen @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGKxtqOze5M&feature=related

Aaa gupshup pyar karen @  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui3menJ0qyA&feature=related

Beimaan balma maan ja @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdzborjAJ6g&feature=related

Bigdi banane wale @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4hOC0Gwo9w&feature=related

Yeh khamoshiyan @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXqZGEnrP40&feature=related

Aayiye meherban @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiQ3a-knw4I&feature=related

Mehfil mein jal uthi shama @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8eqDmhArrs&feature=related

Yeh rat phir na ayegi @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIWmNvaBtME&feature=related

Ayega aanewala @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03DXW_rV54U&feature=related

Piya jaya mein sanay gayo @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCZJqHeJMk&feature=related

Man re tu kahe na dheer dhare @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvW7LbUidao&feature=related

Muhammat zinda rehti hai @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk7zr9tvA9E&feature=related

Khyalon mein kisi ke @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN2kDfIiBbA&feature=related

O janewale mudke @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy6jtwxvS_c&feature=related

Yeh raat yeh chandni @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRfVXUk9kFw&feature=related

Tu ganga ki mouj @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj3t5jOTYmw&feature=related

Man tarpat Hari darshan ko @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyLdgQinxpY&feature=related

Insaan bano @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CfvB_8HI4Q&feature=related

Zara samne to aa chaliye @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCVma4HI8uY&feature=related

Qaid mein hai bulbul @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYa8eihXCCI&feature=related

Lara lappa layi rakhda @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfo4EtfL5R0&feature=related

Zindagi usi ki hai @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yf8C7swHZ0&feature=related

Main koi jhooth bolya @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlEEuNw-Kwc&feature=related

Teri zulphon se @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1NmnVppWiY&feature=related

Yeh zindagi ke mele @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnKBl5nCiE8&feature=related

Mangne se jo mout mil jati @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t18jkg-RK4U&feature=related

Dil jalta hai jalne de @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gma4cQhKhUM&feature=related

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Hum layen hai Toofan se @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGP0RTDbX4Y&feature=related

  

Ek Nazar @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uzqIjf2CRE&feature=related

Nukta Chi Hai Ghamedil @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPc87mIsfc&feature=related

Vrindavan ka Krishna @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhqneAj-EQI&feature=related

Tu Pyar ka Sagar @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QM8ohMGneY&feature=related

Hamko Manki Shakti @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RLOuiX6_6A&feature=related

Nanhe Munne Bacche @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUrIJxCcXnA&feature=related

Ae Malik tere Bande @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zocUMuPcWXA&feature=related

Chahe Paas ho chahe door  @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPv9w1Bhyyw&feature=related

Tum mujhwe bhool bhi jao @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6BN6zE7IY0&feature=related

Payame-ishk Muhabbat @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjmtbyfuP8&feature=related

Hai Kali kali ke lab par @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xlm78C3720&feature=related

Dhalti jaye raat @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaIi_nD4UFE&feature=related

Yeh mausam rangeen @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt7hLQzafL8&feature=related  

 

Na jane kahan tum the @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwPiPi1VRTE&feature=related

Mithi mithi baaton se @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obXObfJht6A&feature=related

Taron ki zuban @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zilUZLM0pY8&feature=related

Nigahe naaz se @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIUMtObbOC0&feature=related

Awaaz de kahan hai @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfPymO1it1E&feature=related

Phir tumhari yaad aayi @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ApLA2I1nU&feature=related

Udankhatole pe ud jayun @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkhIOEpqAho&feature=related

Na bol pee pee more angna @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG733rSM0e4&feature=related

Aahen na bhari @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQY-hNpDP0&feature=related

 
 

Aayega AANEWALA @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zjnG9bzNKg&feature=related

Abhi tou mein jawan @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sj0S6FTTMw&feature=related

Kahan le chale ho @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd554_KrpgE&feature=related

Rasiya re manbasiya @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uu9pcgTgdI&feature=related

Yaad rakhna chand taron @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9lLM3BW9ic&feature=related

Jeet hi lenge baazi @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmddEDxEeqE&feature=related

Mein tumhi se poochati hun @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suXitx8lR04&feature=related

 

Basti Basti Parbat Parbat @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtCsfOTVgSY&feature=related

Mera Naam Raju @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6EZLdggR5A&feature=related

Sitaro aaj to @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t81RJHD1XCg&feature=related

Kahe ko der lagai re @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_yzmkZfrZc&feature=related

Jai Maa Sheronwali @ http://www.youtube.com
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Chanakya -Video ————- Mahabharata -Video

yeh jo mohabbat hain- Kati Patang

Mere Dushman Tu Meri

Chhalkaye Jaam

 Zindagi Etafak Hai

KHILTHE HEIN GUL YAHAA

Phool Aur Patthar

Ay dil-e-nadaan – Lata

zindagi pyar ka geet hai

Aap Ki Nazaron Ne – Lata  

Main Zindagi Ka Saath 

Dev Anand Yaad Kiya Dil ne  

Hain Sabse madhur Wo Geet

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Dum Maro Dum

Ay dil-e-nadaan – Lata – Film Song

YouTube – Aap Ki Nazaron Ne – Lata

YouTube – Dil Tera Deewana Hai Sanam

youn to hamne lakh haseen dekhe hai

Kahe Jhoom Jhoom Raat – Lata Mangeshkar

jawaniyan ye mast bin piye

Boy Friend   Vintage Lata Mangeshkar

Vyjaythimala Pradeep kumar

Bol Re Kathputli – Lata Mangeshkar (Kathputli – 1957)

“Gujra Hua Zamana” – Lata Mangeshkar

“Zanan Zanzana Ke Apni Payal” – Lata Mangeshkar

Woh Chand Khila – Lata Mangeshkar (Anari – 1959)

Yeh Zindagi usi ki hain – Lata Mangeshkar (Anarkali – 1953)

Raja Ki Ayegi Baraat – Lata Mangeshkar – Aah

Dhire Dhire Chal Chand — Mohammad Rafi & Lata Mangeshkar

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Do Sitaron Ka Zameen Par – Lata, Rafi (Kohinoor 1960)

madhuban mein radhika nache re

dilip and madhubala go to temple

Jab Raat Hai Aisi Matwali

Mehfil Me  Na shikwa hai  Na milta  Mushkil hai bahut

Do din ke liye  Unse pyaar ho gaya  Udhar tum haseen

Aayega Aane waala  “Tum Rooth Ke Mat Jana ”

“Aap Yun Hi Agar Humse Milte Rahe”

Mohabbat Zinda Rehati Hai

YouTube – Mohammad Rafi

Jaan-E-Bahaar Husn Tera

Chhun chhun ghunghroo

Aaj Kyon Humse Parda Hai (Sadhana)

YouTube – Ye Mehlon Ye Taqton

NAZRANA – Mohd Rafi                         

Ghareeb Jaan Ke

zindagi zinda dilika naam ha

Dunia Walon Say Door Jalne Walon Say Door

Babuji dhire chalna

Bhula Nahi Dena Je Bhula Nahi Dena

Masoom Chehra Ye Qatil Adayen 

Aaja Ke Intezaar Mein – Halaku

YouTube – Mohammad Rafi and Asha Bhosle

Mohammad Rafi and Sudha Malhotra

Do Lachhian

Ke Mein Jhooth Bolia

Shammi Shakila

 Asha Bhosle

Asha Bhosle and Sudha Malhotra

Rajkumari – Classical (Asha Bhosle)

Yeh Raaten, Yeh Mausam – Asha, Kishore (Dilli Ka Thug 195 8)

chod do aanchal

Aankhon Mein Kya Jee

achhaji main hari chalo

 wahan kaun hai tera musafir jaye ga kahan

Hum Hain Rahi Pyar Ke

“Khayalon Mein Kisi Ke” – Mukesh & Geeta Dutt

YEH RAAT YEH CHAANDNI PHIR KAHAAN…

Dev Anand Chal ri sajni

Tujhe Jeevan ki Dor Se

Teen kanaster peet peet kar

dil jale tho jale

aye meri zindagi aaj rath jumale

Phaili Hui Hai Sapnon Ki

Yaad Aagayi Voh Nashili

DEV ANAND TASVEER TERI DIL MEIN

DEV ANAND TALAT MEHMOOD YEH NAYI NAYI PREET HAI

DEV ANAND LEKE PEHLA PEHLA PYAR

DEV ANAND TADBEER SE BIGDI HUI

DEV ANAND BOOJH MERA KYA NAAM RE  

YouTube – Secular India — A.R. Rehman

Swadheen – Vande Mataram – Lata Mangeshakar

 jago mohan pyare

Mann Tarpat Hari Darshan

Insaan Bano – Baiju Bawra

Teen kanaster peet peet kar

Mera joota hai(mukesh)

sukh aur dukh

kisi ki muskrahaton pe ho nisaar

Honton Pe Sachchai Rehti

Baje Payal Chhun Chhun

Meena Kumari

Sab kuch seekha hamne- song

mukesh & raj kapoor

Uthaaye ja unke sitam

Lata ji & Munaday  

Woh Chand Khila

Mann Tarpat Hari Darshan

Kahe Jhoom Jhoom Raat – Lata Mangeshkar

YouTube – Bol Re Kathputli

Woh Chand Khila – (Anari – 1959)

“Lakhon Taare Aasman Mein”

“Khayalon Mein Kisi Ke” –

Ajeeb Dastan hai yeh

YEH RAAT YEH CHAANDNI PHIR KAHAAN…

 Aaja Panchhi Akela Hai  

abhi na jao chodkar

Babuji Dheere Chalna

GURU DUTT-KAAGAZ KE PHOOL

ye duniya agar mil bhi jaaye

Qaid mein hai bulbul saiyyad muskuraaye

aaiye meharbaan  

Mera Naam Chin Chin Choo from Howrah Bridge

YouTube – “Tum Rooth Ke Mat Jana ”

“Woh Chale Haye Woh Chale”

Mera Prem Patra – (Sangam – 1964)

Pathar Ke Sanam

Chal Ud Ja Re Panchi

Tu Hindu Banegana Musalman Banega

 Jaan-E-Bahaar Husn Tera

Chalo Sajna Jahan Tak Ghata Chale

aaj phir marne ki tamana hai

 TU MERE PYAR KA.

Aurat Ne Janam Diya Mardon Ko

Apni bhi kya zindagi

 husne wale tera jawaab nahin

 wafa jinse ki bewafa ho gayi

Chhoo Lene Do Nazuk

Tora mann darpan kehlaye

Man Re Tu Kahe Na – Mohammad Rafi

 Hothon Pe Aisi Baat

SHOLAY (1975) mein nachoo gi

Lamhe – Morni Baaga Maa – Sridevi & Anil

Lamhe – Kabhi Main Kahoon – Sridevi & Anil (Eng Subs)

Hamara Dil Aapke Paas Hai-Shukriya-Aishwarya Rai-Anil Kapoor

YouTube – Nimbooda- Aishwarya Rai

YouTube – “Desert Rose” by Sting featuring Aishwarya Rai

Inhi Logon Ne-Spanish subtitles

Aadmi Musafir Hai

Bekhudi Mein Sanam

Main Kahin Kavi Na

Yeh Tanhai Hay Re Hay

Phir Wo Bhooli Si Yaad Aayi Hai

Taj Mahal song

Hindi old songs

 khilte hain gul yahan

leke pehla pehla pyar pt.2

Nazneen Bada Rangeen Hai – Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon

O sajana….

Amrapali-2

“Tum Agar Mujhko Na Chaho” – Mukesh

Mukesh – Diwaano Se Yeh Mat Poocho – Upkar

MUKESH ik din bik jaae ga maati ke mol

“Lakhon Taare Aasman Mein”

Neele Gagan Ke Tale – MAHENDRA KAPOOR     

YouTube – Koi Sehri Babu

YouTube – Yuhi Tum Mujhse

YouTube – Zindagi Ke Safar Mein Gujar

YouTube – indian old song(mukesh)

YouTube – hum tujh se muhabbat – mukesh

YouTube – MUKESH – jo tum ko ho pasand

YouTube – Jeena Yahan Marna Yahan – Mera Naam Joker  

YouTube – ankhon se jo ******************************

Beena madhur madhur kachchu bol  ********

Saqia Aur Pila -sabri bros.(moti mahal)

Qawali Sabri Brothers India -Part 2

YouTube – Asha Bhosle

YouTube – Aishwarya Rai song

Jab Dil Hi Toot Gaya (K.L.Saigal)

Gham Diye Mustqil (K.L.Saigal)

Diya Jalao  & Guzar Gaya Woh Zamana (Pankaj Mullick)

Babul Mora (K.L.Saigal)  &  Chahe Barbad Karegi (K.L.Saigal)

Aaj Kyon Humse Parda Hai (Sadhana)

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PUNJABI BELOW:

MERI CHUNNI DEAAN RESHMI (JATTI)

BAJRAY DA SITTA (TV SPECIAL)

MERA LOONG GAWACHA (DULARI)

Punjabi song in saraiki mela, zabardsat dance. waoo!

punjabi song,, hindi style

Number One Punjabi

Gidha (College Team) – Punjabi

Punjabi Wedding Song (Bale Bale) – Bride & Prejudice

New Years 2006 Gidha [FANTASTIC MUST WATCH]

mehndi hai rachne wali

mehndi laga ke rakhna

Rani Mukerji’s Performance

musarrat nazir

BOLIYAAN. – PUTT JATT DA. 1983

Gurdas Mann – Challa {FULL VERSION}

Punjabi Totay – Bush Chachu Da Interview 

YouTube – PUnjabi Bush 4

Punjabi Totay – Bush Chachu Deh Andey

Punjabi Totay – Mr Marasi

Punjabi Totay – Husband Ah Gia

M nazir   M nazir  Mnazir  Mnazir   Mnazir   

Mnazir   Mnazir  Mnazir    Mnazir gori gori chaanani di  

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